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« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2005, 04:30:15 AM »

Hey Not Daniel,

You'll take the time out of your day to rewrite a song in my honor yet you won’t respond to my post?

What gives?

 huh


I haven't been online for awhile. Actually, I had been chomping at the bit to find out what "Breastking"* meant - All I knew was that:

1) some woman was supposedly yelling it at you in anger at the Cactus Cafe, and that

2) you are allegedly a rather large fellow.

From these clues, I had supposed that it was a reference to "man boobs" which is why the song forced itself on me in the manner I transcribed (I did NOT consciously rewrite it!)

So, Breastking, didja ever hear of a guy that used to go under the name KOOL-man (King of Oral Love)? He published some great magazines and may  have even had a record label, but was apparently done in from too many whispers over his questionable nickname. (Not that you need to take that as a cautionary tale, it's just that now that I know the REAL story, that's what it reminds me of.)

  - NotDan

*(Of course, what "breastking" really sounds like is an off-brand tuna!)



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« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2005, 09:52:37 AM »

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I passed 95% of the drawings on to the Museum so that Daniel would get (most of) the money for their sale, as it should be. I charged a token amount per drawing as a "storage fee" so, just out of the sheer volume of pages of art involved, I was able to pocket a pretty sweet pile of green paper, while assuring that DJ will still bring in five to ten grand from the works in question.[/color]

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Ummm, ok I guess thanks for the Breast King post. But that's not the questions I asked you. What is a "storage fee" that you made your "sweet pile of green" from?

Why is Drew upset if you have rasied $10,000 for Daniel?

Please answer my simple questions.
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« Reply #32 on: April 13, 2005, 02:19:05 AM »

This is all such a bunch of crap. Get back to discussing music. 
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« Reply #33 on: April 16, 2005, 05:11:19 AM »

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I passed 95% of the drawings on to the Museum so that Daniel would get (most of) the money for their sale, as it should be. I charged a token amount per drawing as a "storage fee" so, just out of the sheer volume of pages of art involved, I was able to pocket a pretty sweet pile of green paper, while assuring that DJ will still bring in five to ten grand from the works in question.[/color]

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Ummm, ok I guess thanks for the Breast King post. But that's not the questions I asked you. What is a "storage fee" that you made your "sweet pile of green" from?

Why is Drew upset if you have rasied $10,000 for Daniel?

Please answer my simple questions.

!) Storage Fee simply seemed like a good term - I had the art for a long time but didn't feel comfortable saying I "owned" it outright.

2)I don't think Drew is upset at/with me. I am comfortable that the deal I made was with an honest person who will give Dan what he said he would. Drew is or was appparently suspicious of the person I dealt with. It is out of my hands.

Now,  as the Dutch Fan said: " This is all such a bunch of crap. Get back to discussing music.''

Which fits a thought that just popped into my head awhile ago. Did the artists get to decide which song they'd do on the Late Great comp? Or were they given suggestoins? Was there any trouble over different people wanting to do the same song? I don't recall a lot of info coming out beforehand. Just a question I think people would be interested in.

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« Reply #34 on: April 22, 2005, 03:24:31 PM »

...as a buyer of a number of pieces via 'the Museum'...I have found Jeff to be SO nice, and VERY fair...

....and as a English speaker/reader...it seems REAL obvious from earlier posts in this thread that Jeff is 'in the right' here...

So, Dan gets $10 in CASH to goof-off with and the rest of his cut goes to a trust fund...GREAT NEWS!

to those of you who tried to beat up on Jeff AFTER reading that...it wasn't pretty to 'watch'...

Have you EVER thought about what it was like for Jeff, as Dan's DEDICATED manager years ago,  to have helped him attain his dreams, and then to get dumped when Dan was manic?

If you don't know someone personally who has severe Manic-Depression, you have NO IDEA how hard it is on those close to the person...I DO know what's it's like, and so I KNOW that Jeff was heart-broken to have to see Dan fall apart in the past, and to have to be hurt in the process...and, I also know that he is genuinely happy for Dan's current success...

Get off his back, OK?

I think Jeff deserves a hell of a lot of empathy.

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« Reply #35 on: April 25, 2005, 10:20:34 AM »

I swear I was reading the forums last night and there was a new post here from Dan's brother.   Now it's gone, what happened?
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« Reply #36 on: April 25, 2005, 11:50:21 AM »

NotDaniel - I'm not upset with you at all, I think it's great that you would contribute all your art from Daniel both to help you out and to help Daniel. That looks like it worked out for everyone.

The only thing I would consider myself upset with is where the source of all/any of the misinformation is coming from... where ever that may be.

After doing a bit of research and making inquiries, this is what I have learned and understand:

 - Stress / Museum of Love / Jeff Tartakov's check to Daniel last quarter was something in the $200's.

 - There is no trust fund to which Jeff Tartakov is contributing any money for Daniel.

 - Daniel does NOT receive 95% of the revenues from Stress / Museum of Love / Jeff Tartakov.
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« Reply #37 on: April 26, 2005, 05:15:53 AM »

Drew, with all due respect (of which there isn't alot of right now) you should stick to what you know, like working on this website, and stay away from that of which you are obviously totally clueless, like the business between Jeff Tartakov & Daniel.
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« Reply #38 on: April 26, 2005, 05:58:04 PM »

After doing a bit of research and making inquiries, this is what I have learned and understand:

[1]  - Stress / Museum of Love / Jeff Tartakov's check to Daniel last quarter was something in the $200's.

 [2] - There is no trust fund to which Jeff Tartakov is contributing any money for Daniel.

 [3] - Daniel does NOT receive 95% of the revenues from Stress / Museum of Love / Jeff Tartakov.

Not to keep this dragging on, but at least one thing here probably requires my response.

3 - That is certainly NOT the figure that Jeff quoted to me, either.

  - NotDan

(I doubt if any museum "curator" would be THAT generous! After all, as Jiffy Tartarsauce said on WFMU, "I like money a lot!")

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« Reply #39 on: April 26, 2005, 07:27:39 PM »

Let's not make the mistake of classifying Drew as "just one of the help" ("stick to doing what you know - the website").  Drew does what he does out of love for his uncle.  He is not one whit behind Jeff Tartakov in this regard.  Drew knows Daniel personally (Daniel is his father's brother), often travels with Daniel on tour, is frequently involved in logistical preparation for much of what happens, and he sits at table with Daniel and with Daniel's family where these topics are unraveled.   He is not an outsider nor is he "uninformed".   

Drew appears to be inquiring because of his knowledge of specifics which are at conflict with comments made about "business transactions" in this thread.   It sounds like a valid course of exploration.  So far, there are no explanations for the conflicts.

I keep hearing the call to silence.  Remember, forums are for discussion!
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« Reply #40 on: April 26, 2005, 08:26:55 PM »

In rereading this entire thread I don't see where anyone ever said I paid Daniel 95%. That figure never appears until reply number 36, ironically by Drew.

As for the other 2 points in Drew's above referenced post, the quarterly royalty check mentioned was for the 4th quarter of 2004 before the movie screened at Sundance. It was one of the least profitable Christmas quarters ever and cassette sales were all but dead. Thanks to the movie things are picking up but selling $5 cassettes in the 21st century is hardly a big moneymaker.  Daniel's art is another story but as per the ARTIST'S INSTRUCTIONS that's none of his family's business. I never said anything about contributing to a trust fund and if such a fund exists I'm not aware of it. I pay Daniel directly for his art while all music related royalties are sent to his management on a quarterly basis. The percentage I take as an art dealer is standard and of course it's more that 5%.  Once again the 95-5% split was never mentioned or suggested one way or the other until reply number 36.

The bottom line is that I expect Daniel to eventually make MORE than the 5 to 10k that Not Daniel predicted he would make off the drawings I purchased. Despite a seemingly stagnant music career his art career has taken off in recent months and if everything being planned for the next 12 months pans out Daniel will be viewed as a MAJOR artist and not just an outsider.

I hope this helps clarify things.
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« Reply #41 on: April 27, 2005, 01:23:06 PM »

Yes, "Eastgate" we all know who Drew is, just as we know that like father, like son, neither seem to have any real knowledge of certain business situations.
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« Reply #42 on: April 28, 2005, 05:53:57 AM »

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« Reply #43 on: April 28, 2005, 06:06:44 PM »

...as a buyer of a number of pieces via 'the Museum'...I have found Jeff to be SO nice, and VERY fair...

....and as a English speaker/reader...it seems REAL obvious from earlier posts in this thread that Jeff is 'in the right' here...

So, Dan gets $10 in CASH to goof-off with and the rest of his cut goes to a trust fund...GREAT NEWS!

to those of you who tried to beat up on Jeff AFTER reading that...it wasn't pretty to 'watch'...

Have you EVER thought about what it was like for Jeff, as Dan's DEDICATED manager years ago,  to have helped him attain his dreams, and then to get dumped when Dan was manic?

If you don't know someone personally who has severe Manic-Depression, you have NO IDEA how hard it is on those close to the person...I DO know what's it's like, and so I KNOW that Jeff was heart-broken to have to see Dan fall apart in the past, and to have to be hurt in the process...and, I also know that he is genuinely happy for Dan's current success...

Get off his back, OK?

I think Jeff deserves a hell of a lot of empathy.

Gina

Jeff does deserve empathy but when he gets his panties in a wad because someone is selling art, it makes him look like he is afraid his cash cow we go dry!
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« Reply #44 on: April 28, 2005, 06:45:21 PM »

Yes, I know you are Jeff's girlfriend and you see things from a limited perspective.  It's interesting that you have a grandiose view of "how much" you can see that Drew or Dick cannot.   You must feel very proud and powerful!

If Dick Johnston does not know about "certain business dealings", who's fault is that?   These things should not be hidden, and the fact that they ARE makes them IMMEDIATELY suspect.  Then, remarks like Jeff calling them "nosey relatives" - or saying that Daniel said that - I'm sorry, the story is being defended by assualts designed to silence discussion, and that is also immediately suspect.    I'm surprised that anyone- including Jeff's girl - would count the Johnston family members "totally clueless" (candidly, that was a crass remark) on any topic relating to Daniel.

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