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« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2005, 04:11:42 PM »

So Gammon IS selling these 3 framed drawings?!

Hmmmm.....
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« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2005, 04:41:14 PM »

I guess I'm too dense to see where you said "no, I don't"... Ok, so that's a no? You don't buy art from Daniel for $10?

I too apologize to the board for being so dense.
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« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2005, 05:27:24 AM »

Ken - how does whatever you read in Texas monthly relate to Drew's remark?  Are you saying that because you read about someone else's arrangement with Daniel  I'm somehow obligated to disobey his wishes? I'm confused.. huh


No,no... I just meant that maybe that's where Drew had gotten the idea that Daniel only got $10 per piece of artwork from you, since the figure $10 was mentioned there and he used the same figure here.

Really, I didn't manage to say what I meant to very clearly at all, and I don't necessarily recall what I read correctly either, so forget I was even here, okay?
 I had thought maybe I could help clear things up, but I shoulda known I'd only make things more convoluted.

Let's talk about cinematography instead - how about those cityscapes in "Devil & DJ"? Makes you feel like you're IN wild West Virginia, don't they?!?

  - Not Involved
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« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2005, 05:45:40 AM »

For the record (I hope this doesn't make things here get uglier, but I don't see how it could since it's pretty tangential) there are some places, like Sound Exchange and Austin Books, that will take Daniel's artwork in trade for records, comics and stuff. Austin Books for quite awhile would sell each piece of art for (you guessed it) $10 - maybe it was even $5 for B&W and $10 for color pages.

They're hoping to stop this practice, because too many people have discovered this little gold mine and it's not like the store is making any real money off of it at ten bucks a pop, but it's now been over a year (maybe two) since Daniel has brought them any art to trade in anyway, so they're assuming that the problem has likely solved itself.

The owner of the store, Brad, was actually upset about the "Devil & DJ" film because he had somehow gotten the idea that they would be portrayed as actively ENCOURAGING Daniel to trade in his art there for funnybooks, when in fact they only do it reluctantly for him because they like him personally and he's a long-time good customer (I've since let Brad know that there's no negative implications made about the store in the film).

The way I see it, the whole situation there is like Picasso scrawling a sketch onto a napkin to pay for his meal at high-priced, high-class restaurants. Whatever resources you've got, you use 'em!

  - Not Paloma or Pablo
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« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2005, 08:50:58 AM »

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=552&item=7312416841&rd=1

auctioning dan's high school essay seems a bit odd.  that isn't art, but some random piece of paper with a few thoughts on ichabod crane. 

i hope dan's english teacher is getting a cut of the profits.   

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« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2005, 08:55:50 AM »

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=552&item=7312416841&rd=1

auctioning dan's high school essay seems a bit odd.  that isn't art, but some random piece of paper with a few thoughts on ichabod crane. 

i hope dan's english teacher is getting a cut of the profits.   

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I noticed that too. It is pretty creepy but at least the seller doesn't call himself BREASTKING!   grin
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« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2005, 10:32:40 AM »

It is pretty creepy but at least the seller doesn't call himself BREASTKING!   grin


Oh, man! Now I'm gonna get [a very slightly altered version of] Meat Joy's "Another Pair" stuck in my head, just like I did two and a half weeks ago!

BREASTKING

There's another pair of breasts on the other side of town.
They're bigger than yours so I gotta fool around.
There's another pair of breasts on the other side of town.
They're bigger than yours so I gotta fool around.

Oh yeah, oh yeah!
Breastking!
Oh yeah, oh yeah!
Breastking!

There's another guy that I see on the side;
He's really nice and he understands my problems.
I like your breasts, yes I think they're fine*,
But that's where I go when you start to whine!

Cuz there's another pair of breasts on the other side of town.
They're bigger than yours so I gotta fool around!

Oh yeah, oh yeah!
(He's my) Breastking!
Oh yeah, oh yeah!
(He's the) Breastking!

Breastking!
Yeah, Breastking!
Uh-huh, Breastking!
BREASTKING!!!

Whew! The gender & sexual preference switcihng within the song was hard enough to figure out as it was!

  - Not Dancing

BTW: Back around 1986 or so, when I was living with Melissa Cobb [formerly of Meat Joy, Black Spring**, and Lester Bangs & the Delinquents] I remember that in her cassette box there was a tape that had listed on its box a couple of co-written tracks by her and Daniel. I never got to hear them, but I'll bet they were pretty good! She lives out in L.A. last I heard, working in some highly scientific, technical field (she's not the Melissa Cobb you see listed in some crew position in the credits of a lot of Hollywood movies, though). Somebody really oughtta try & get copies of those songs, if the tape hasn't already become permanently lost or disabled.

*(Originally "He likes my breasts, yes he thinks they're fine.")

**(Black Spring were, I believe, the first band to cover "Walking the Cow" - they did a very sweet and longing version, as I recall.)
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« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2005, 12:18:22 PM »

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=552&item=7312416841&rd=1

auctioning dan's high school essay seems a bit odd.  that isn't art, but some random piece of paper with a few thoughts on ichabod crane. 

i hope dan's english teacher is getting a cut of the profits.   

: )




Really you guys are the only ones who give a ****!!! I mean if Daniel gave someone a drawing and that person chooses to sale it then why is it your concern? All of you guys Gammon,Worriedshoes,Mueseum of love make a buck or two off Daniel and think just because you put a few bucks in his pocket you are exempt from the "Who is cheating Daniel club"
Nobody is cheating him if he GIVES them something and they decide to sale it!!Then its no business of yours!
If anyone should be pissing and moaning about who sales what it should be Dejected and Mr.Johnston not you guys! From what I gather Dejected really has no problem if someone sales some art. "Get it while you can" is what I believe he said but you guys sit and bitch about it like the money belongs to YOU!!!
Get over it!
Shut up and get the **** over it!
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« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2005, 11:29:07 PM »

WOW!

I havenít checked in on the board in a while and it looks like I missed a lot. This thread really brought a smile to my face and yet a small tear to my sexy blue eyes. Iím not sure if any of you have ever lived in NYC (Iím going on my 20th year) but itís very costly. I have a storage bin to keep lots of my belongings in (I have been filling it for over 9 years now).  I have come to terms I can save a lot of money if I get rid of it but I need to clear it out first.  I have way to much stuff.  Over the last 20 years I have been a collector of MANY things. Rare books, tons of records and 7Ē, old cobalt glass, and lots and lots of art of all kinds. I have works from Jimmie Lee Sudduth, Mose Tolliver, Rev. Howard Finster, Mr. Eddie, Lonny Holly, Spencer Tunick, Mick Rock, Andy Warhol and my list can go on and on.  Itís time for me to unload and it was hard to come to terms with it but I have given it a lot of thought and have started to take action. So, itís just not Mr. Johnstonís work Iím selling its going to be my entire collection of art, plus a TON of other cool stuff.

I do want to address pricing.

First off, the unholy alliance is art and commerce (in any form). How can you put a dollar amount on a drawing? Hereís a tip kids, itís worth only what a buyer is willing to pay for it. So, with that said how did I come up with the price of $999.99? To start with the framing was over $250.00. Also, itís related to album cover out from a past Daniel project (but you all know that). Also, I looked at what other people are selling Danielís work for. I watched eBay for a while and looked at a few websites that also sell Danís art.

Check these links out:

http://www.worriedshoes.com/g4/pages/60.html
($300.00 and as the Breast King I must say GREAT work Dan!)

http://members.aol.com/yipeye/2color.htm  ($850.00)

http://members.aol.com/yipeye/5color.htm ($1000.00 SOLD!!!)

Again are they worth the money? They are if they sell (ugly is the proof)! Also, I think all these works of art just give value to the works Iím selling as well as the rest of the body of Danís work.

But now letís do a little simple math, shall we? $999.99 take away $250.00 is 749.99. Now lets take 3 works of Daniels art and divide $749.99 (the net worth of the art as I see it) by 3. You now have 249.67. Just to make it easy thatís $250.00 a pop. And think of what they are. They are part of Danís recording life. A very cool thing to own, no?  Also, good value if you want to compare them to the above 3 links!

Just who is the BreastKing and what was this all about? I think you all know by now I like to tweak minds.  I think sometimes you need to help projects along by finding ways to bring them to light. Sometimes you need to work a style or and angle to get some attention. I love it when half the reaction is they love what youíve done and the other half think you suck. I can live with both, with joy. Look at the cover of The Late Great CD. Itís hard to get viz when you are an indie label. When I had the idea for the CD image I called Dan about the name and cover. HE LOVED IT! We had a great laugh about it and Dan even said ďMan, its like Paul it deadĒ! This is an old trick. Townes Van Zandt (another old buddy who I worked with for years as well as producing a track on his tribute CD) most notorious album was called The Late Great Towns Van Zandt (yup, I ripped off the idea). Even ďI buried PaulĒ was all over the place and is still talked about today.  OK, so what does this have to do with being the BreastKing? I am NOT ashamed by the site I use to have.  Itís not at all a secret (I was on Stern, in Playboy and about another 30 mags). So what was it? I had a friend of mine die of Breast cancer. Itís a bad thing to watch. Very sad stuff and hard to write about. So, I had an idea (it came from the Simpsonís plow King episode) to start a site called BreastKing. In good adult fun. Woman flashed their natural breasts (no fake breasts) by sending in 3 to 5 photos (with or with out their face). There was a free weekly contest and people would vote to see who had the best breasts. The winner would get a t-shirt, $25 dollars and was featured on a playing card. 52 weeks in a year 52 cards in a deck. This project was a breast cancer awareness site. We had a TON of info about Breast cancer. We would give back 15% of all revenue off the top (not the profit, on all money that came in) back to six charities. The site made money by charging for subscriptions (19.95 a year), banner ads, and decks of cards. We raised a LOT of money! We sponsored many walks and woman would don the Breast King tank top. It was an angle that worked VERY well. We had a lot of people hanging out on the site, we had a great bulletin board, we were a Kingdom and I was The King (also I stared as the Joker in the deck of cards with 4 topless ďPrincessĒ). The site cost a lot to keep up.  Bandwidth was unreal! We got hacked a few times too, design, keeping the site up to date on a weekly basis. It was hard!!! The site was live for about 2 years. We were able to make a deck of cards (first time ever a deck of cards were made with armature woman from the net).  They ranged in age from 18 to 60). It sadden me when I had to faze out the site because it cost so much to keep it going and way to much time to maintain and worse we were working at a loss.  To see people on this site try to ďexposeĒ me as doing something bad didnít really didnít bother me. They didnít take the time to read and see the site for what it was. 15,000 a people a day loved my Kingdom and I still get e-mail saying how much they miss the fun and how much they love the deck of cards. Also, itís true. I LOVE Breasts SO KILL ME??? What did my site, my private life, have anything to do with this Daniel Johnson world and all that I have given to it as far as love, time and money?

I donít owe a single person a reason of why I do things, how I price things, what I want to sell or how late I stay out. Because I do what I do in off beat ways does not give people the right to think they are entitled to give me ďconstructive criticism ď and think I should care about it?!? Itís another thing if I know the person in the real sense of the way. I am friends with one or two people on the boards. From them I will always hear them out and take what they have to say to heart. I love it when people help me out (I welcome a friendly hand) and I try to always give back as much as I can.

I am happy that Daniel is a part of my life. I always want to do right by him, Bill and Dick. Dick, whom I truly love and has helped me like a real friend would in some very dark and stormy times.

The punch line of this long rant is that we all care about whatís best and right for Daniel. Thatís why we are all here. Thatís why the passion runs so high. Really, not a bad thing if itís channeled right.  Right?

I welcome all comments but I give no guarantees I will 1) really care much 2) respond.

Ok, so how do I sign off in good old Jordy fashion that will make some of you laugh and some of you shake with anger? HmmmmÖI got it!!!!

For all of you who have supported Gammon or any project Iíve worked on, THANK YOU FROM MY HEART!!!  For those of you who have wished me bad and have rooted for me to fail (and yes, we have all failed once or twice in our lives) I say, go **** yourself.

May peace be with all of you!

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« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2005, 05:37:57 AM »

Jordy-

Well said. You are right, of course. No need to explain yourself to anyone, and now that you have, I must confess I understand totally. Especially about the framing end, as I mentioned in an earlier post.

Assumptions are just that.

(What Finsters are you letting go? Just curious...)

For guest post "Who Gives..."-
Point made. No need to get hostile.
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« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2005, 12:02:59 AM »

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I passed 95% of the drawings on to the Museum so that Daniel would get (most of) the money for their sale, as it should be. I charged a token amount per drawing as a "storage fee" so, just out of the sheer volume of pages of art involved, I was able to pocket a pretty sweet pile of green paper, while assuring that DJ will still bring in five to ten grand from the works in question.
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Wow, thatís great news! Man, that's a lot of money too! A job well done in the name of Daniel by Not Daniel.†

Whatís a ďstorage feeĒ? Is that like consignment?

Drew, how can anybody complain if they are giving Daniel such large sums of money?


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« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2005, 10:49:30 PM »



This is so funny guys, anyone got the full script?  grin  cheesy

Could be worth alot of that green paper  grin

Keep it up!
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« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2005, 03:55:52 PM »

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Daniel has given me very specific instructions not to discuss his business affairs with overly nosy relatives.

I just spoke with Daniel's dad (my grandpa) who spoke directly with Daniel about this. Daniel denies having ever said anything like that to Jeff.

Daniel comes in tonight for a movie after church, so I'll have a chance to get all the facts then.
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« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2005, 09:16:17 AM »

Hey Not Daniel,

You'll take the time out of your day to rewrite a song in my honor yet you wonít respond to my post?

What gives?

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« Reply #29 on: April 11, 2005, 07:38:13 PM »

Here is a haiku!

Titties bouncy soft,
Like Froot Loops and Cheerios
Not just for breakfast




Hope everyone likes it! evil
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