Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
September 26, 2023, 11:28:42 PM
Home Help Search Login Register
News:

+  YipJumpFORUM
|-+  General Discussion
| |-+  Fan Forums
| | |-+  Behind the Music: Danny & the Nightmares
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. « previous next »
Pages: [1] Print
Author Topic: Behind the Music: Danny & the Nightmares  (Read 13848 times)
notdaniel
Fly Eye
*****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 410


<Ape vs. World>


View Profile WWW
« on: March 29, 2004, 11:46:28 PM »

Here's a little story Daniel told me in February when me & Jerm went out to Waller for what became the first "Lizard Bugs" recording session:

The Danny & the Nightmares CD "The End Is Near Again" was never intended to be released as an album - or at least *Daniel* never intended it! Note that it's on the "Cool Beans" label, as in just like "Cool Beans" magazine, which among other things included a great Nightmares cover of the Butthole Surfers' "Human Cannonball" on one of their free CD compilations.

Well, apparently, the folks at the mag asked Dan for some tracks for use on upcoming comps, which are included with each issue of the magazine. Well, Daniel says he went ahead and sent them a whole LP's worth of tracks for them to choose from and the next thing he knew, there was "The End Is Near Again" in stores, waiting for unsuspecting buyers who have no idea it's not approved by the artist! (Not that the sound on the Nightmares' 1st album is all that hot, either, but still...)

The next time a Nightmares CD appears, it will hopefully sound totally great; Daniel says that Paul Leary (of the Buttholes, also known for producing Sublime and the Meat Puppets) is supposed to produce it! Don't look for that any time soon, though - Paul's apparently so busy with some project right now that Daniel hasn't been able to get ahold of him for a couple of months.

  - Not Daniel
Logged

They laughed when I sat down at the piano.
They didn't think that I could play.
But their laughter turned to amazement,
When I got back up and carried it away...

  - DJ (message left on answering machine)
dejected
Administrator
Fly Eye
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 432



View Profile WWW
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2004, 11:59:33 PM »

Cool Beans was contacted about this - this was a violation of existing contracts with other labels, who politely turned their heads over this "offense".  The 3" CD from Important Records "Alien Mind Control" (still available, but expensive) was also a violation.

I was surprised to see yet another compliation that lists Daniel Johnston on one of the tracks - they wanted 19.99 starting bid on ebay for a double LP compliation called "Breathe on the Living"

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4004079560&category=306

Should anyone buy it, it would be interesting to hear what the Daniel Johnston track on it contains!!!
Logged
notdaniel
Fly Eye
*****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 410


<Ape vs. World>


View Profile WWW
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2004, 02:55:17 AM »

Quote from: dejected
Cool Beans was contacted about this - this was a violation of existing contracts with other labels, who politely turned their heads over this "offense".


Do you mean that the comp track was also a violation, or are we just talking about the album? For that matter, wouldn't the first Nightmares CD also technically be a violation? And hey, while we're at it, how does Ron English get away with the Hyperjinx stuff? I've never heard any of that material - is it so different that it doesn't "count" as being Daniel?

I'm more than just passingly curious since I have probably 2-3 CDs worth of material I've recorded with Dan over the years, and while I have no intention of doing anything to get Dan in trouble, I do hope that some of it gets a chance to be heard someday.

Footnote: As usual, after the "Lizard Bugs" session last month, Dan called Poppa Johnston into the room and just about gave him a heart attack by announcing with a straight face "We just recorded our new CD!" I always have to alert the "sidemen" in advance that he'll say that, cuz otherwise they get all misty-eyed and start muttering "I'm gona be on an album with Daniel Johnston?!?!?"

Quote from: dejected
I was surprised to see yet another compilation that lists Daniel Johnston on one of the tracks - they wanted 19.99 starting bid on ebay for a double LP compliation called "Breathe on the Living". Should anyone buy it, it would be interesting to hear what the Daniel Johnston track on it contains!!!


Well, here's a little bit of additional info I managed to find about that:

"Breathe on the Living (Nexus Vol. 25 No. 1) (VARIOUS)  Locust-USA/89   Nexus is a student-published magazine out of Wright State University in Dayton, Ohio. Most of record is spoken word (poetry), but there is some music."

The email address to contact the current staff of the magazine is: nexus_magazine@hotmail.com

  - Not Daniel
Logged

They laughed when I sat down at the piano.
They didn't think that I could play.
But their laughter turned to amazement,
When I got back up and carried it away...

  - DJ (message left on answering machine)
dejected
Administrator
Fly Eye
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 432



View Profile WWW
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2004, 03:30:49 PM »

The compilations are almost always allowed, but technically it still requires a formal approval.

I think the industry thing to do when receiving permission is as they did with Mark Linkous on Fear Yourself: "Mark Linkous appears courtesy of Captiol Records"

If it isn't otherwise intuitive that such arrangements are "necessary", then to explain it we'll need to list all the reasons that music artists and record companys HAVE contracts.

But here I'll ramble for a bit:

Most music artists aspire and HOPE for getting a contract with a record company.   This suggests without exploring why, that they think this is to their benefit.

For anyone who aspires to MAKE A LIVING from their music you've got to partner with people who can do these things AND bind yourself contractually.  I don't think there are many exceptions to this - although it does look like Townes Van Zandt's wife is doing a lot of direct-to-market sales.  http://www.townesvanzandt.com/  - or until you're "big enough" to make and promote your own label.

Many people recognize the problem and work in a very good-willed fashion with Daniel - and normally they have agreed with Daniel and his father not to make such decisions spontaneously or alone with Daniel.  There is the contractual obligation AND there must be some "plan" to it all.

Those who don't do this impede (intentionally or not) efforts to sustain Daniel from his work.

Daniel LOVES to record - he loves to do this with friends. and he's a very generous guy.   Like you suggested with your friend that you had to warn them or they "would have had a heart attack" when Daniel said "We just recorded my next album" - Daniel's heart and enthusiasm far exceeds his prudence and concern for other commitments.  As you said, we just have to recognize and take it into account when working with him.

There are at least two full albums of material ready to publish, but they will publish one this year (besides the Tribute)

There is the side of the music making that "wants to give it away and share", and rejectedunknown.com has taken that perspective on quite liberally.   There is as much joy in "just sharing" all Daniel's work as in hearing it.

Daniel did some recording with Jad Fair earlier this year, but Jad understands and agrees that it cannot be published any time in the foreseeable future.   The reason is "for Daniel's benefit".

Okay - I've already way over-responded...  I won't tell you how much I went back and trimmed out!!!!

In summary: An artist typically cannot make financial gain on his own, and unrestrained publication of the artist's proliferate material harms efforts to make money for the artist.

Daniel occasionally ignores this verbally, but he does know it - and he has legally bound himself with contracts.

I hope that a lot of all the stuff Daniel does everywhere will eventually be published in some measure.   But sadly for Daniel's sake we must temper our enthusiasm and just "hang on to" the material for now.  

Come to think of it, that's what the MEMBERS ONLY area is trying to do - to share "some" of the good unpublished stuff with a limited audience ("hard-core fans") and done in a way that doesn't hurt the finanical efforts.

You know, if you just "have" to share some of the material, you might work with Rejected Unknown and share it in that "approved" and restrained context.

Otherwise "YES", Daniel is bound contractually it cannot be ignored. Anyone in possession of such recordings might "share" it, but it cannot be "publshed" in any quantities or sold.

 YES - anyone should check with his father or brother before publishing anything and they have to make decisions based on existing (multiple) contracts and at least some "vague" strategy for Daniel's well-being.

Best advice: - anyone who is holding any such material might have the greatest chance of some of it being included in compilations or some other medium if Daniel and his father and brother had copies of it.   It would be used along with everything else for compilations, etc.

As more magazines and colleges, etc. publish compilations, that WILL be from Daniel's "unpublished" material - both to stay inside the contractual lines and to keep it all interesting for new and old fans.
Logged
dejected
Administrator
Fly Eye
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 432



View Profile WWW
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2004, 03:48:18 PM »

Danny and the nightmares - 1999 - the year Daniel signed with Gammon - I don't know if it fell within or outside the agreement.

Personally, I do think it SHOULD NOT have been done.  

As one scenario, consider the fan who decides to become a "collector" - when this happens some otherwise-never-earned income comes to Daniel.

For some people it's fun and they have an appreciation for "grunge" music - but for such a start-up collector or even a first time buyer (deciding to buy the cheapest!) it might disappoint him such that he doesn't finish the collection.   Ugly thought, but real.
Logged
Stress Records
Mind Contorted
*****
Offline Offline

Gender: Male
Posts: 322


View Profile WWW
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2004, 12:28:34 PM »

Quote from: dejected
I was surprised to see yet another compliation that lists Daniel Johnston on one of the tracks - they wanted 19.99 starting bid on ebay for a double LP compliation called "Breathe on the Living"

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4004079560&category=306

Should anyone buy it, it would be interesting to hear what the Daniel Johnston track on it contains!!!


This was released in 1989 and was perfectly legal. The track is called "I'm Dreaming of Jeanie".
Logged

Doug Sulpy
Harley Man
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 36


View Profile WWW
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2004, 07:41:51 PM »

Good point, Dejected... I never thought about that. People just finding out about Daniel or who don't know much of his music and happen across the D&TN CDs are liable to miss the point entirely, and think those things are what he's about. While they're welcome to hard-core fans (what isn't?), in the overall picture they don't do his career any good.

I'm not sure I think the same about the Jad Fair collaborations - at least they might broaden Daniel's exposure to people who only buy Jad Fair records (hard to imagine, but I presume there are a handful). Personally, I think even less of those records than I do of the "Danny And the Nightmares" albums.

The Hyperjinx Tricycle album is more tolerable - good enough that at least one doesn't think "Sheesh... did they REALLY have to release this?" -- Of course, I would rather have a REAL Daniel album, but since those come out so infrequently, I'm happy for some stop-gap music that's at least listenable.

Now, who's gonna buy that comp. album and put "I Dream of Jeanie" up as the mp3 of the week? smiley.

Doug
Logged
Pages: [1] Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.15 | SMF © 2011, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Page created in 0.026 seconds with 19 queries.